I made an album of photos from spearfishing here in Bimini on Facebook last night and it ignited a flurry of replies!
Does killing fish for my dinner make me a murderer?
Does fishing with reverence make it ok?
Is it hypercritical to kill fish and save dolphins?
It was an interesting debate and conversation, and I initially invited people to join in. I thought it would raise awareness.
But instead of building tolerance for differing points of view, it got pretty self righteous. Some offensive comments were posted which have since been deleted.
Its great to be passionate, and we’re free to judge and condemn another’s actions. But as we become a global Humanity, we’re taking tolerance to a whole new level.
Might as well get used to it! ;)
Love,
Joe
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June 17th, 2010 at 6:50 pm
In the end all of life is eating each other–example: cows graze on lands where humans have been buried or ,and many other species too.
Integrity and appreciation, respect for what we eat are far more important than “what” we or anything” eats…
Jillian
June 17th, 2010 at 10:15 pm
Joe, It just does not feel ‘right’ to kill other animals to eat…now that I am awakening…if you are still asleep you would not feel the pain and suffering that the animal you just killed feels. Right now I do eat meat and fish because someone else killed it and I am not fully awake and I have a taste for it….but when the time comes that I take a bite of that meet and I see, feel and experience all that if went through to get to me… I will just stop doing it. Remember Avatar? We really are all connected and eating a cow or a fish is like cutting off our big toe and eating it.
Someone (of high authority) recently told me the story of how the Japanese use this technique of banging on their metal boats to disorient the dolphins so that they can easily kill them, then they are feeding the dolphins to school children and telling them that it is tuna so that the children will get a taste of dolphin and continue the practice…. sick.
Thank you for pushing everyone’s buttons….we all need help waking up!
June 18th, 2010 at 7:10 am
Joe….it is unfortunate that I can not see your pics as I am not a member of facebook however, I have chosen to believe that animals, fish, birds, plants, etc have already “chosen” themselves to give of thier physical bodies freely for food and those that choose to partake are welcome. There are those people who choose not to partake for what ever reason and that is fine as well. I have come to believe there is no right way or wrong way just different ways.
June 18th, 2010 at 5:20 pm
Hey Joe…………I love that this came up. I love that your approach is to explore the discussion. I love that we all have the opportunity to get along anyhow. I really see that the whole discussion is a microcosm of the macrocosm for world peace. If we can honour what each other believes…..and truly love each other as is without righteousness, then the world instantly has more peace…….
On a second note, I am not surprised that this came up on your fb…….your ego-less response is so refreshing and gives permission for each of us to look at ourselves and examine how we respond.
Last but not least……….animals make an agreement before they come….they know what the game will be, just like us. We came here for the game……..not to judge the game. I love that you made an agreement with fish before you came……and that (in my beliefs) they just get to come back and do it all over….no biggy.
love you
jen
July 9th, 2010 at 6:58 pm
I have had the great luck to have been a a few “accidents” over my life time. What happens is that time slows, and I detached from my body and saw the scene from above. I did not feel pain, although I knew that something was happening and “my body” could move and react.
This is what I think a fish or animal feels when it is captured and dies rather quickly.
August 9th, 2010 at 9:38 am
Hey Joe as i was walking down the the street one day, i was caught by a string i felt down and i injured my leg.I felt a lot of pain and i was almost cursing land.The some thing should apply to the animals the way someone feels pain is the same they feel when injured or caught we should take care for them instead of harming them. I myself i like animals.Love animals respect for God’s creation